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14:54:35 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
14:54:35 <trackbot> Date: 05 June 2013
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14:55:04 <Zakim> +GavinC
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14:56:30 <Zakim> +pfps
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14:58:47 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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14:58:53 <AndyS> zakim, IPCaller is me
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14:58:53 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
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14:59:24 <Zakim> +Guus
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14:59:35 <Guus> zakim, who is here?
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14:59:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see GavinC, pfps, AndyS, Guus
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14:59:36 <Zakim> On IRC I see pfps, tbaker, gkellogg, davidwood, Zakim, RRSAgent, Guus, markus, TallTed, AndyS, SteveH, Arnaud, gavinc, manu1, manu, sandro, trackbot, yvesr, ericP, mischat
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14:59:38 <Zakim> +Sandro
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14:59:50 <AndyS> Suggestion - could plan for TriG, NQ, NT LC's today? Process, not technical discussion.
Andy Seaborne: Suggestion - could plan for TriG, NQ, NT LC's today? Process, not technical discussion. ←
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15:02:55 <AndyS> We've gone so far through that it would be nice to be RECified for NT, NQ. Also - advance TriG to LC
Andy Seaborne: We've gone so far through that it would be nice to be RECified for NT, NQ. Also - advance TriG to LC ←
15:03:00 <sandro> 2012/10/30-rdf-wg RESOLVED: We'll do N-Triples and N-Quads in one REC-track documents, title to be decided
Sandro Hawke: 2012/10/30-rdf-wg RESOLVED: We'll do N-Triples and N-Quads in one REC-track documents, title to be decided ←
15:03:44 <sandro> 2013/03/13-rdf-wg RESOLVED: take TriG, n-triples and n-quads to FPWD according to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Mar/0091.html
Sandro Hawke: 2013/03/13-rdf-wg RESOLVED: take TriG, n-triples and n-quads to FPWD according to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Mar/0091.html ←
15:05:22 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone?
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15:05:22 <Zakim> On the phone I see GavinC, pfps, AndyS, Guus, Sandro, gkellogg, Arnaud, markus, davidwood, TallTed (muted)
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15:05:33 <AndyS> scribenick: AndyS
(Scribe set to Andy Seaborne)
15:05:40 <AndyS> scribe: Andy Seaborne
15:05:53 <AndyS> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.06.05
15:05:56 <Guus> chair: Guus
15:07:04 <AndyS> (pre meeting discussion - we need to track down the resolved status of NT and NQ docs)
(pre meeting discussion - we need to track down the resolved status of NT and NQ docs) ←
<AndyS> topic: Admin
15:07:08 <pfps> miinutes look good
Peter Patel-Schneider: minutes look good ←
15:07:17 <pfps> s/miinutes/minutes
15:07:28 <AndyS> RESOLVED: Accept the minutes of https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/rdf-wg/2013-05-29
RESOLVED: Accept the minutes of https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/rdf-wg/2013-05-29 ←
15:07:45 <pfps> q+
15:07:52 <gavinc> +q to ask who is sending messages to comments about the PREFIX/BASE resolution
Gavin Carothers: +q to ask who is sending messages to comments about the PREFIX/BASE resolution ←
15:08:54 <AndyS> Guus: open actions - http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/open
Guus Schreiber: open actions - http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/open ←
15:09:22 <AndyS> Guus: open actions - http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/open
Guus Schreiber: open actions - http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/open ←
15:09:38 <pfps> Semantics needs a tiny bit of work on references, including action 219 - I'll try to get these done
Peter Patel-Schneider: Semantics needs a tiny bit of work on references, including ACTION-219 - I'll try to get these done ←
15:10:04 <AndyS> Guus: process discussions for TriG, NT, NQ
Guus Schreiber: process discussions for TriG, NT, NQ ←
15:10:16 <AndyS> ... keep semantics discussions short
... keep semantics discussions short ←
15:10:28 <AndyS> topic: LC for concepts and semantics
15:10:43 <AndyS> Guus: issue-131
15:11:14 <AndyS> ... Sandro options 1-6 in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Jun/0025.html
... Sandro options 1-6 in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Jun/0025.html ←
15:11:14 <pfps> fine by me
Peter Patel-Schneider: fine by me ←
15:12:23 <sandro> STRAWPOLL: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Jun/0025.html
STRAWPOLL: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Jun/0025.html ←
15:12:24 <pfps> 6 options - there are only 5 in the email
Peter Patel-Schneider: 6 options - there are only 5 in the issue ←
15:13:07 <pfps> s/email/issue/
15:13:23 <pfps> we are talking about the six "D" issues in the email
Peter Patel-Schneider: we are talking about the six "D" issues in the email ←
15:13:38 <AndyS> options are -- D1 to D6 in email of 4 June
options are -- D1 to D6 in email of 4 June ←
15:14:01 <AndyS> sandro: extension approach, not required core
Sandro Hawke: extension approach, not required core ←
15:14:38 <AndyS> ... on bound semantics
... on bound semantics ←
15:14:52 <AndyS> q+
q+ ←
15:15:18 <Guus> ack pfps
Guus Schreiber: ack pfps ←
15:15:21 <AndyS> ack me
ack me ←
15:15:28 <davidwood> ack gavinc
David Wood: ack gavinc ←
15:15:28 <Zakim> gavinc, you wanted to ask who is sending messages to comments about the PREFIX/BASE resolution
Zakim IRC Bot: gavinc, you wanted to ask who is sending messages to comments about the PREFIX/BASE resolution ←
15:15:29 <Guus> ack gavinc
Guus Schreiber: ack gavinc ←
15:16:40 <AndyS> sandro: was going to present a design - didn't think it would fly in the WG after private review
Sandro Hawke: was going to present a design - didn't think it would fly in the WG after private review ←
15:16:54 <AndyS> ... want to address issue-131 at the same time.
... want to address ISSUE-131 at the same time. ←
15:17:06 <sandro> +1 +1 +0 -0 -0 -1
Sandro Hawke: +1 +1 +0 -0 -0 -1 ←
15:17:18 <pfps> this is all a *change* to the way RDF works - who is going to make sure that it all fits together?
Peter Patel-Schneider: this is all a *change* to the way RDF works - who is going to make sure that it all fits together? ←
15:17:25 <gkellogg> strawpoll -- D1: +1, D2: +0.9, D3: +0.4, D4: +0.3, D5: +0, D6: -1
Gregg Kellogg: strawpoll -- D1: +1, D2: +0.9, D3: +0.4, D4: +0.3, D5: +0, D6: -1 ←
15:17:34 <pfps> D1 -1; D2 -1; D3 -0.5; D4 -0.4; D5 0; D6 -2 (as this would violate the way RDF extensions work)
Peter Patel-Schneider: D1 -1; D2 -1; D3 -0.5; D4 -0.4; D5 0; D6 -2 (as this would violate the way RDF extensions work) ←
15:17:50 <markus> strawpoll -- D1: +1, D2: +0.5, D3: 0, D4: -0.8, D5: -1 (can't really see how this is different to D6), D6: -1
Markus Lanthaler: strawpoll -- D1: +1, D2: +0.5, D3: 0, D4: -0.8, D5: -1 (can't really see how this is different to D6), D6: -1 ←
15:17:51 <davidwood> +1 +1 +1 +1 +0 −0.5 (chair hat off)
David Wood: +1 +1 +1 +1 +0 −0.5 (chair hat off) ←
15:17:55 <gavinc> strawpoll -- D1: -1 D2: -0.9 D3: +1 D4: +0 D5: -0 D6: -0
Gavin Carothers: strawpoll -- D1: -1 D2: -0.9 D3: +1 D4: +0 D5: -0 D6: -0 ←
15:18:20 <AndyS> D3, D4, D5 +1 D6: -1 D1, D2 hard to say due to details.
D3, D4, D5 +1 D6: -1 D1, D2 hard to say due to details. ←
15:18:41 <AndyS> pfps: worried that a technical fault emerges just after REC declared.
Peter Patel-Schneider: worried that a technical fault emerges just after REC declared. ←
15:18:52 <TallTed> D1 +1, D2 +0.7, D3 +0.5, D4 +0.3, D5 +0, D6 -1
Ted Thibodeau: D1 +1, D2 +0.7, D3 +0.5, D4 +0.3, D5 +0, D6 -1 ←
15:19:13 <AndyS> ... don't like D6
... don't like D6 ←
15:20:54 <AndyS> I want to see the other usages (e.g. label=location) documented, (inc with the issues of the approach)
I want to see the other usages (e.g. label=location) documented, (inc with the issues of the approach) ←
15:21:11 <AndyS> I am also concerned that one technical choice (in docs) does not prove to be the only one.
I am also concerned that one technical choice (in docs) does not prove to be the only one. ←
15:21:38 <gavinc> THere is no support for D6! Lets stop talking about it :P
Gavin Carothers: THere is no support for D6! Lets stop talking about it :P ←
15:22:00 <sandro> sandro: I want to make sure we don't ACCIDENTALLY end up in D6.
Sandro Hawke: I want to make sure we don't ACCIDENTALLY end up in D6. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:22:02 <pfps> the question is whether there is *some* way to add graphs into the RDF semantics, this is related to D6
Peter Patel-Schneider: the question is whether there is *some* way to add graphs into the RDF semantics, this is related to D6 ←
15:22:48 <AndyS> Guus: including people not on call, D3 looks like the leader.
Guus Schreiber: including people not on call, D3 looks like the leader. ←
15:23:25 <pfps> D1 is to add a *particular* way to add graphs to the RDF semantics, which could have problems
Peter Patel-Schneider: D1 is to add a *particular* way to add graphs to the RDF semantics, which could have problems ←
15:23:42 <gavinc> exactly, there is at this point not enough time to do D1
Gavin Carothers: exactly, there is at this point not enough time to do D1 ←
15:24:04 <AndyS> guus: will set up WBS and resolve next week.
Guus Schreiber: will set up WBS and resolve next week. ←
15:24:09 <pfps> the speed required to approve D1 is very problematics
Peter Patel-Schneider: the speed required to approve D1 is very problematics ←
15:24:47 <markus> pfps, D1 says "We include *something* like bound semantics [1] and blank-node-graph-names in rdf-concepts"
Markus Lanthaler: pfps, D1 says "We include *something* like bound semantics [1] and blank-node-graph-names in rdf-concepts" ←
15:25:20 <AndyS> ACTION: Guus: set up WBS on bound semantics
ACTION: Guus: set up WBS on bound semantics ←
15:25:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-269 - Set up WBS on bound semantics [on Guus Schreiber - due 2013-06-12].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-269 - Set up WBS on bound semantics [on Guus Schreiber - due 2013-06-12]. ←
15:25:38 <gavinc> Yes, but markus we don't have a design, implementations, or consensus after trying for 2 years.
Gavin Carothers: Yes, but markus we don't have a design, implementations, or consensus after trying for 2 years. ←
15:25:47 <pfps> +1 to gavin
Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 to gavin ←
15:26:37 <AndyS> subtopic: raised issues (semantics and concepts)
15:26:38 <pfps> my belief is that issue-120 has been determined, as "yes"
Peter Patel-Schneider: my belief is that ISSUE-120 has been determined, as "yes" ←
15:26:59 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/raised
http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/raised ←
15:27:39 <markus> gavinc, agreed but this strawpoll was to see if there's consensus to do something at all
Markus Lanthaler: gavinc, agreed but this strawpoll was to see if there's consensus to do something at all ←
15:27:55 <pfps> semantics now firmly defines union (new) and merge (no change)
Peter Patel-Schneider: semantics now firmly defines union (new) and merge (no change) ←
15:28:21 <pfps> issue-122 is left to surface syntaxes
Peter Patel-Schneider: ISSUE-122 is left to surface syntaxes ←
15:28:34 <AndyS> guus: close issue 122 sugegsted but Pat raised an issue with the issue.
Guus Schreiber: close ISSUE-122 sugegsted but Pat raised an issue with the issue. ←
15:28:56 <AndyS> ... to do with bnode labels on graphs
... to do with bnode labels on graphs ←
15:29:02 <AndyS> pfps: how?
Peter Patel-Schneider: how? ←
15:29:17 <AndyS> davidwood: process?
David Wood: process? ←
15:29:44 <gavinc> 122... I'm assuming that's now TriGs issue? :\
Gavin Carothers: 122... I'm assuming that's now TriGs issue? :\ ←
15:30:04 <AndyS> guus: assumption is that these raised issues are dropped
Guus Schreiber: assumption is that these raised issues are dropped ←
15:30:04 <sandro> issue-127?
15:30:04 <trackbot> ISSUE-127 -- Comment: multiple ways to encode string codepoints -- raised
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-127 -- Comment: multiple ways to encode string codepoints -- raised ←
15:30:04 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/127
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/127 ←
15:30:07 <pfps> issue 127 appears to be related to surface syntaxes
Peter Patel-Schneider: ISSUE-127 appears to be related to surface syntaxes ←
15:30:26 <AndyS> Guus: issue-127 - not about semantics or concepts
Guus Schreiber: ISSUE-127 - not about semantics or concepts ←
15:31:04 <AndyS> subtopic: Open issues (semantics and concepts)
15:31:26 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/open (time varying link :-)
http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/open (time varying link :-) ←
15:31:38 <AndyS> Guus: issue-23 -
15:31:42 <AndyS> issue-23?
15:31:42 <trackbot> ISSUE-23 -- Does going from single-graph to multi-graph require new format and new media types? -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-23 -- Does going from single-graph to multi-graph require new format and new media types? -- open ←
15:31:42 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/23
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/23 ←
15:32:31 <AndyS> gavin: resolved by leaving to each syntax
Gavin Carothers: resolved by leaving to each syntax ←
15:32:47 <AndyS> guus: please offer to write resolution text ...
Guus Schreiber: please offer to write resolution text ... ←
15:32:56 <AndyS> gavinc: Ok - I'll do it.
Gavin Carothers: Ok - I'll do it. ←
15:33:19 <sandro> issue-102?
15:33:19 <trackbot> ISSUE-102 -- Shall we highlight Turtle's list structures as "Well-Formed Lists" in one of our Recs? -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-102 -- Shall we highlight Turtle's list structures as "Well-Formed Lists" in one of our Recs? -- open ←
15:33:19 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/102
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/102 ←
15:33:22 <pfps> i vote "no" for issue-102
Peter Patel-Schneider: i vote "no" for ISSUE-102 ←
15:33:23 <AndyS> action: gavinc: Write resolution text for issue-23
ACTION: gavinc: Write resolution text for ISSUE-23 ←
15:33:23 <trackbot> Error finding 'gavinc'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/users>.
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15:33:56 <gavinc> ACTION: gavin: write resolution text for issue-23
ACTION: gavin: write resolution text for ISSUE-23 ←
15:33:56 <trackbot> Created ACTION-270 - Write resolution text for issue-23 [on Gavin Carothers - due 2013-06-12].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-270 - Write resolution text for ISSUE-23 [on Gavin Carothers - due 2013-06-12]. ←
15:34:28 <AndyS> pfps: make a primer issue for 102
Peter Patel-Schneider: make a primer issue for 102 ←
15:34:47 <AndyS> sandro: informative section of concepts? schema?
Sandro Hawke: informative section of concepts? schema? ←
15:35:41 <AndyS> sandro: advanced people to read this - they may skip primer.
Sandro Hawke: advanced people to read this - they may skip primer. ←
15:36:04 <AndyS> .. does the WG agree with the statement of issue-102
.. does the WG agree with the statement of ISSUE-102 ←
15:36:53 <AndyS> AndyS: two audiences? data publishers, and implementers.
Andy Seaborne: two audiences? data publishers, and implementers. ←
15:37:16 <davidwood> q+ to say that there has never been a requirement that implementations store triples.
David Wood: q+ to say that there has never been a requirement that implementations store triples. ←
15:37:20 <AndyS> sandro: people who are constructing triple patterns need to be aware of this.
Sandro Hawke: people who are constructing triple patterns probably should to be aware of this. ←
15:37:31 <sandro> s/need/probably should/
15:37:41 <sandro> :-)
Sandro Hawke: :-) ←
15:37:45 <AndyS> guus: suggest move to primer
Guus Schreiber: suggest move to primer ←
15:38:19 <AndyS> davidwood: could drop? We don't usually talk about impls.
David Wood: could drop? We don't usually talk about impls. ←
15:38:55 <AndyS> sandro: old RDF spec had wellformed lists is mapped to Turtle and JSON-LD lists. ?? in RDFS?
Sandro Hawke: old RDF spec had wellformed lists is mapped to Turtle and JSON-LD lists. ?? in RDFS? ←
15:39:38 <AndyS> guus: no relation to concepts or semantics so not an issue for them
Guus Schreiber: no relation to concepts or semantics so not an issue for them ←
15:39:48 <AndyS> ... next issues 112 113
... next issues 112 113 ←
15:40:04 <AndyS> ... previous comments from the list
... previous comments from the list ←
15:40:20 <AndyS> ... needs checking
... needs checking ←
15:40:26 <AndyS> ISSUE-112?
15:40:26 <trackbot> ISSUE-112 -- Media types and assertions -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-112 -- Media types and assertions -- open ←
15:40:26 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/112
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/112 ←
15:40:30 <AndyS> ISSUE-113?
15:40:30 <trackbot> ISSUE-113 -- RDF Keys -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-113 -- RDF Keys -- open ←
15:40:30 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/113
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/113 ←
15:40:33 <pfps> issue 112 refers to an email from 9 years ago!
Peter Patel-Schneider: ISSUE-112 refers to an email from 9 years ago! ←
15:40:37 <AndyS> guus: volunteers?
Guus Schreiber: volunteers? ←
15:40:50 <AndyS> ...
... ←
15:41:42 <pfps> I can sent a message to Mark Baker
Peter Patel-Schneider: I can sent a message to Mark Baker ←
15:41:42 <AndyS> ... we don't think they affect semantics and concepts
... we don't think they affect semantics and concepts ←
15:41:51 <AndyS> ... assume not relevant
... assume not relevant ←
15:42:28 <davidwood> q?
David Wood: q? ←
15:42:29 <AndyS> Guus: That leaves open issue 131
Guus Schreiber: That leaves open ISSUE-131 ←
15:42:31 <davidwood> ack me
David Wood: ack me ←
15:42:31 <Zakim> davidwood, you wanted to say that there has never been a requirement that implementations store triples.
Zakim IRC Bot: davidwood, you wanted to say that there has never been a requirement that implementations store triples. ←
15:42:46 <AndyS> ... and the WBS poll on bound datasets
... and the WBS poll on bound datasets ←
15:42:54 <AndyS> guus: process
Guus Schreiber: process ←
15:42:58 <AndyS> ... 4 reviewers
... 4 reviewers ←
15:43:04 <AndyS> ... semantics
... semantics ←
15:43:12 <AndyS> ... ivan has done an initial review
... ivan has done an initial review ←
15:43:51 <AndyS> ... antoine to do another
... antoine to do another ←
15:44:06 <AndyS> pfps: no significant items in ivans review
Peter Patel-Schneider: no significant items in ivans review ←
15:46:12 <pfps> hmm. this indicates that semantics / concepts need to be changed to move from "can't" to "doesn't necessarily"
Peter Patel-Schneider: hmm. this indicates that semantics / concepts need to be changed to move from "can't" to "doesn't necessarily" ←
15:46:42 <AndyS> guus: concepts
Guus Schreiber: concepts ←
15:46:53 <AndyS> .. reviewers Guus and PFPS.
.. reviewers Guus and PFPS. ←
15:47:08 <AndyS> pfps: previous review was done
Peter Patel-Schneider: previous review was done ←
15:47:40 <AndyS> davidwood: no matters arising from pfps review
David Wood: no matters arising from pfps review ←
15:48:11 <AndyS> guus: in two weeks can we have LC drafts for concepts and semantics?
Guus Schreiber: in two weeks can we have LC drafts for concepts and semantics? ←
15:48:44 <pfps> two weeks should be feasible if there are no required technical changes, and the editors produce changes that are acceptable to the reviewers
Peter Patel-Schneider: two weeks should be feasible if there are no required technical changes, and the editors produce changes that are acceptable to the reviewers ←
15:48:50 <AndyS> pfps: resolving to ivan - OK - other small changes then good to go. Some editor overhead to respond to changes.
Peter Patel-Schneider: resolving to ivan - OK - other small changes then good to go. Some editor overhead to respond to changes. ←
15:49:28 <AndyS> davidwood: much the same - need to check recent edits - but ex issue 131 - looks OK for that timescale
David Wood: much the same - need to check recent edits - but ex ISSUE-131 - looks OK for that timescale ←
15:49:43 <AndyS> guus: 2 weeks ideal, latest 3 weeks. Is there time?
Guus Schreiber: 2 weeks ideal, latest 3 weeks. Is there time? ←
15:49:54 <pfps> I'll do some work on the edits today or tomorrow
Peter Patel-Schneider: I'll do some work on the edits today or tomorrow ←
15:50:12 <AndyS> davidwood: had factored in some time next week
David Wood: had factored in some time next week ←
15:50:26 <AndyS> guus: option - features at risk
Guus Schreiber: option - features at risk ←
15:51:07 <AndyS> sandro: feature at risk - issue-131 and related - relative IRIs unclear as to proposal in detail.
Sandro Hawke: feature at risk - ISSUE-131 and related - relative IRIs unclear as to proposal in detail. ←
15:51:20 <AndyS> topic: Turtle process
15:51:49 <AndyS> guus: test suite, feature at risk resolved.
Guus Schreiber: test suite, feature at risk resolved. ←
15:52:18 <AndyS> gavinc: need someone to write to the external commenters
Gavin Carothers: need someone to write to the external commenters ←
15:52:31 <AndyS> guus: suggest Eric is asked
Guus Schreiber: suggest Eric is asked ←
15:52:39 <AndyS> gavinc: fine
Gavin Carothers: fine ←
15:53:35 <AndyS> action: guus: Ask EricP to respond to the feature at risk commenters re PREFIX
ACTION: guus: Ask EricP to respond to the feature at risk commenters re PREFIX ←
15:53:35 <trackbot> Created ACTION-271 - Ask EricP to respond to the feature at risk commenters re PREFIX [on Guus Schreiber - due 2013-06-12].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-271 - Ask EricP to respond to the feature at risk commenters re PREFIX [on Guus Schreiber - due 2013-06-12]. ←
15:54:11 <AndyS> gavinc: exact details on the PREFIX impl - some people say they will go further.
Gavin Carothers: exact details on the PREFIX impl - some people say they will go further. ←
15:54:45 <AndyS> ... and trailing dot on PREFIX
... and trailing dot on PREFIX ←
15:55:39 <AndyS> andys: I implement the feature at risk.
Andy Seaborne: I implement the feature at risk. ←
15:56:14 <AndyS> gavinc: grammar not quite right (WS betweet @ and word)
Gavin Carothers: grammar not quite right (WS betweet @ and word) ←
15:56:37 <AndyS> ... trailing DOT in SPARQL unliked by AndyS
... trailing DOT in SPARQL unliked by AndyS ←
15:56:57 <AndyS> ... unclear about case sensitivity of @prefix
... unclear about case sensitivity of @prefix ←
15:57:57 <Guus> zakim, who is talking?
Guus Schreiber: zakim, who is talking? ←
15:58:08 <Zakim> Guus, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AndyS (20%), Sandro (30%), gkellogg (9%)
Zakim IRC Bot: Guus, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AndyS (20%), Sandro (30%), gkellogg (9%) ←
15:58:46 <Zakim> -Guus
Zakim IRC Bot: -Guus ←
15:59:00 <AndyS> gregg: fine with no DOT version if no negative tests for it.
Gregg Kellogg: fine with no DOT version if no negative tests for it. ←
15:59:10 <sandro> gavin: NONE of the negative syntax text are Normative.
Gavin Carothers: NONE of the negative syntax text are Normative. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:59:25 <AndyS> gavinc: negative tests are not really as normative because its outside the grammar
Gavin Carothers: negative tests are not really as normative because its outside the grammar ←
15:59:29 <Zakim> +Guus
Zakim IRC Bot: +Guus ←
15:59:44 <sandro> gregg: so remove them from test results?
Gregg Kellogg: so remove them from test results? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:59:53 <sandro> andy: I have a "strict" flag
Andy Seaborne: I have a "strict" flag [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:00:04 <gavinc> base <http://one.example/> <subject> <predicate> <object>
Gavin Carothers: base <http://one.example/> <subject> <predicate> <object> ←
16:01:13 <AndyS> sandro: concensus on case insensitive of @prefix?
Sandro Hawke: concensus on case insensitive of @prefix? ←
16:01:18 <AndyS> gavinc: maybe
Gavin Carothers: maybe ←
16:01:38 <AndyS> ... issue around "a"
... issue around "a" ←
16:01:40 <sandro> PROPOSE -- make @prefix and @base case insenstive
Sandro Hawke: PROPOSE -- make @prefix and @base case insenstive ←
16:01:59 <sandro> (hearing consensus)
Sandro Hawke: (hearing consensus) ←
16:03:27 <AndyS> sandro: what about all case insensitive, remove neg tests on PREFIX-DOT
Sandro Hawke: what about all case insensitive, remove neg tests on PREFIX-DOT ←
16:04:08 <AndyS> gavinc: say for compatibilty write trad forms.
Gavin Carothers: say for compatibilty write trad forms. ←
16:04:21 <AndyS> guus: next week status of TriG, NT, NQ
Guus Schreiber: next week status of TriG, NT, NQ ←
16:04:56 <AndyS> gavinc: test - NT, NQ to REC?
Gavin Carothers: test - NT, NQ to REC? ←
16:05:23 <Zakim> -Guus
Zakim IRC Bot: -Guus ←
16:05:26 <Zakim> -Arnaud
Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud ←
16:05:29 <AndyS> ADJOURNED
ADJOURNED ←
16:05:38 <Guus> trackbot, end meeting
Guus Schreiber: trackbot, end meeting ←
16:05:38 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees ←
16:05:38 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been GavinC, pfps, AndyS, Guus, Sandro, gkellogg, Arnaud, davidwood, markus, TallTed
Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been GavinC, pfps, AndyS, Guus, Sandro, gkellogg, Arnaud, davidwood, markus, TallTed ←
16:05:46 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes ←
16:05:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/05-rdf-wg-minutes.html trackbot
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16:05:47 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
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16:05:47 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/05-rdf-wg-actions.rdf :
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16:05:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Guus: set up WBS on bound semantics [1]
ACTION: Guus: set up WBS on bound semantics [1] ←
16:05:47 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/05-rdf-wg-irc#T15-25-20
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16:05:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: gavinc: Write resolution text for issue-23 [2]
ACTION: gavinc: Write resolution text for ISSUE-23 [2] ←
16:05:47 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/05-rdf-wg-irc#T15-33-23
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16:05:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: gavin: write resolution text for issue-23 [3]
ACTION: gavin: write resolution text for ISSUE-23 [3] ←
16:05:47 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/05-rdf-wg-irc#T15-33-56
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16:05:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: guus: Ask EricP to respond to the feature at risk commenters re PREFIX [4]
ACTION: guus: Ask EricP to respond to the feature at risk commenters re PREFIX [4] ←
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16:05:54 <Zakim> -gkellogg
Zakim IRC Bot: -gkellogg ←
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